“Now we have Jeff from Vermont on the line. Are you there, Jeff?

Jeff: Hey Alan. How you doing?

Alan: Not so bad.

Jeff: I’ve been listening to your program for a while and I’m trying to figure out leaders throughout the American history, I’m kind of focusing on that, that were ingenious and they were you could say on the dark side. I find Thomas Paine as probably one of the better like models of pure genius and just for our founding fathers I really can’t find hardly anything in what he says about the rights of man, age of reason or any of his books that would indicate that he would be nothing but true, just the way he talks and the way he puts stuff down and just look how he died and what he thought about the French Revolution.

Alan: You’ve got to remember too a lot of what we’re given and this is the problem with us. When we’re told something and read something really nice by a person we form an opinion and we’ve got to get in further depth. Thomas Paine was a professional revolutionary that came over from England from a society and this society had already formed. They’d been there for a while. They trained in Geneva in fact a lot of them and then they went to England and Paine came from [PAYEN] and Hugh de Payen was one of the founders of the Knights Templars, one of the knights that founded it, so these characters belong to societies. He certainly seemed to say all the right things and it is true that he went over after the American Revolution to help with the French Revolution. He believed in it initially, but when the slaughtering got too excessive, he complained and he was put in prison himself for complaining. He didn’t go along with all the mass beheadings that were just getting out of hand and eventually they had to send other ambassadors over to help bail him out and get him out of there.

Jeff: Ben Franklin was one.

Alan: It was actually Jefferson came after Franklin on that. What you’ve got really is professional revolutionaries who often fight for the right things, but where you always lose is you’ll find that in every popular movement or righteous movement and many — the State Department have given out their books over the years where they admit for instance that they misinterpreted Vietnam because it was a civil war. It was not a Communistic war, according to the books now. We know for a fact too the same thing happened in El Salvador. They tried to blame — you know the guys in the military and intelligent agencies, they’re pretty well psychopathic themselves and they wanted to call it a Communistic war but it wasn’t really. Wherever peasants tried to get a peasant uprising for a civil war they were called Communists. We have to realize the guys at the top that gravitate towards power after people have championed a popular cause, the ones who get in and hold on to it, then are psychopathic in nature, unfortunately they take over. I’ll be back after the following messages.”

[From Alan Watt’s Radio Program, Cutting through the Matrix, November 2007]

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